There are many church bodies and bishops who are not particularly concerned with apostolic succession. Generally they leave such concerns to those who do require it, but it is not a defining detail in their own ministry. I grew up and pastored in such an environment. In my youth, Apostolic Succession was never a topic of conversation at home, and we knew for certain that our christian relatives and ancestors, both lay and ordained, were about God’s work and demonstrators of holiness and Christian virtue. It is a tiny number of Christians today who believe that only their way and group will be in heaven.
LITURGICAL BISHOPS – In the various Lutheran church bodies, we now find bishops. Originally, when various Lutheran churches developed, usually in national groupings, there was sometimes apostolic succession. The Church of Sweden, for example, became Lutheran in toto. Later, in the new world, it was subsumed in the 1962 merger of the ULCA (early German immigration), Soumi (Finnish), the “happy danes” who drank alcoholic spirits, and the Slovak Zion LC. one of two Slovak immigrant churches, as well as the Swedes,which all were independent Lutheran bodies. Apostolic lines became so blurred as to become impossible to untangle. When I was first ordained into the then LCA, we used the title synod president. This later changed to bishop. The bishops functioned the same way as apostolic bishops. They ordained and provided pastoral oversight to all
pastors and clergy in their synod or district. In my synod all congrergations used a common liturgical service. There were two sacraments recognized, and a number of rites. Frequency of Holy Communion varied from 2 times a year to every service. Most common was about once a month with quarterly next common. Many visitors to a Lutheran church would find the service closely resembling a Catholic mass, although the desire of Lutherans to separate themselves from Catholics precluded using that term. Lutheran bishops had no uncertainty that they were called by God to the ministry, and that it was valid. Nor were their congregants and pastors in doubt.
LESS LITURGICAL BISHOPS – Many main line Protestant church bodies choose not to use the term bishop but has leaders who exercise pastoral and/or administrative authority over pastors and preachers. Often their actions were almost identical to a bishop’s function. As to liturgy, every group which holds a service by definition has a liturgy, a work of the people. It may change radically from service to service, yet is always a liturgy. Even a quiet Quaker gathering qualifies.
The Methodist Churches, descended from John Wesley, a clergyman of the
Anglican church for his entire life. He founded the Methodism renewal movement in England among Anglicanism, a method of Christian life, which became today’s Methodist Church. Methodist bishops in function have very similar authority to those of apostolic bishops. Liturgy, theology, and culture expressions are main differences. It would be a rare Methodist congregation which is “high church” in the U.S.A. today. Most are definitely “low church” in liturgy, as are the great majority of Anglicans in the U.S. A., England and worldwide.
INDEPENDENT LOOSE BISHOPS – Those bishops who are totally independent and have no one to whom they are responsible have the capability to do the most damage. Often they are self-consecrated or appointed. They are not recognized in their office by reputable church bodies. It may be damage to congregants through hurtful teachings or practices. It also may be damaging to responsible church bodies as his practices or teachings hurt the reputations or cause confusion among the faithful.
SOME FINAL PERSONAL THOUGHTS – One of the blessings I’ve received from apostolic succession is the strong identification with 2000 years of Christian predecessors. The fundamentals of Christian life and practice are vivid to me in this history.
It also has strengthened my love and respect for my fellow members wherever in the body of Christ, for my time as a Methodist and as a Lutheran…, and helps explains my problems as an independent christian.


Episcopal Church, a body of some Anglicans in the U.S.A. They have now an “impaired” relationship with Canterbury due to their ordinations and consecrations of gay, lesbian, as well as other female candidates as priests and bishops. Their status is yet to be decided by Canterbury. British Anglicans tend to talk such decisions to death before making any change to the status quo. This habit may be part of the psychology of an island nation where it is difficult to get away from each other.
He developed a very profitable ministry sharing his time as a satanist, and then as a comic. His claims in the book and lectures later were documented in detail as false. He has developed in more recent years a very lucrative ministry to a handful of congregations with his 5th wife following his consecration by an Orthodox bishop as a bishop. It is an excellent example of an Orthodox episcopus vagans consecration setting up another Orthodox episcupus vagans, here Mike Warnke.


Those to whom it is applied see it as pejorative.
behaviors and commitment are normative with Christians. The description below portrays a very common approach to Christianity. Often written and preached about, the person described here probably sits close to you at services on Sunday. It might even portray you at some point in your life.
Fortunately, in the case of Terrance . . . he believed in God and the Church. Not, of course, the kind of honest and open-hearted belief that would also have protected him . . . no, indeed. He believed in the comfortable, dozing-in-the-pew sort of orthodoxy that promised him Heaven in return for the weekly offering and an occassional high tea for the clergy. He liked his clergymen modern–that is, a fellow who would talk to him about hunting and dogs and fishing, and not about uncomfortable things like the state of the poor and the exploitation of the mill-worker, or abstract things like morals and conscience. He certainly was not comfortable with those who took too close an interest in the state of his soul, but preferred those who reassured him without actually saying anything that his soul was in good repair and a place waited for him in Heaven–a Heaven populated by Cambridge men who would see his worth at a glance and give him the respect and deference he simply was not getting here on earth. That this Heaven would also include plebeians who would fawn over his every word and beg to serve him went without saying.”


Her life was dogged by controversy as some activists insisted that the commercials promoted Hispanic stereotypes. Nevertheless, she persevered and was eventually the animal star on Legally Blonde 2: Red, White & Blonde, as the co-actress of Reese Witherspoon. All of us animals thought that she had stolen scene after scene from Ms. Witherspoon. The animal community, especially the Latino animal community deeply mourns her passing.
certainly. I can best sum it up by calling it the great sin of ME.
Several Protestant denominations and most orthodox do not use musical instruments in sabbath services. Have you ever wondered why they would elect the not use them? Fr. Ernesto gives an explanation in a series about musical instruments in worship. Here is part of that explanation. Some of the historical quotes he offers may surprise those of us who do use them. By the way, the Orthodox do have acapella singing. If you want to read more from Fr. Ernesto, go to the orthoduck-orthocuban link on my blog roll.
Orthodox do not use instruments in worship. While it is true that some of the Greek Orthodox will use a piano or an organ in worship, generally all Orthodox sing a capella. What it may surprise you to find out is that the use of instruments in worship was not accepted until quite recently in church history. Below are a few quotes that might surprise you.
ERASMUS “We have brought into our churches certain operatic and theatrical music; such a confused, disorderly chattering of some words as I hardly think was ever in any of the Grecian or Roman theatres. The church rings with the noise of trumpets, pipes, and dulcimers; and human voices strive to bear their part with them. Men run to church as to a theatre, to have their ears tickled. And for this end organ makers are hired with great salaries, and a company of boys, who waste all their time learning these whining tones.” (Erasmus, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 14:19)
Rather, he ties his insights to his faith, here a Catholic View. It could as easily be your particular faith. You may not like all his conclusions. but there are views here to generate thought and reflection. Keep in mind Christianity, properly, is never tied to any specific political view, and comes into conflict at various points with the actions of every political system. There is strong temptation to tie our faith with our preferred politics, and mix the two so as to make it difficult to separate them, This is a struggle in our religious life. I’m especially fond of Uncle Screwtape comments.
The Voice of the Pre-Reagan GOP 



matter of national policy. One newly confirmed United States cabinet member has advocated a similar approach for population control. 



Lets say you start walking down the street, passing the churches with 5 people on a Sunday morning, 10 people, 15 people, 20 people. You continue walking until you have passed half of all the churches in America. Half of the churches in the U.S. are now behind you, half are still in front. The “average” church that you are standing in front of is called the “median” church. You look to see how many people are lined up behind it, and you see 75 people. That is right, half the churches in the United States have less than 75 people.
So, you continue walking, past the churches of 80, 90, 100, 110. Youwalk until you have passed 90% of all the churches. You look to your left and you see 350 people lined up behind this church. Much to your surprise, although you have passed 90% of all the churches, over half of the churchgoers are still in front of you! This is why the “mean” is so much higher than the “median”. While most of the churches in the United States are small, most of the attenders go to large churches. . .